tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post879847388353475316..comments2023-11-05T04:16:44.937-05:00Comments on Advanced Football Analytics (formerly Advanced NFL Stats): The Myth of Playoff PeytonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-32695726870207264312014-12-16T01:44:16.994-05:002014-12-16T01:44:16.994-05:00I am a Colts fan, and thanks you. Since day 1 I ha...I am a Colts fan, and thanks you. Since day 1 I have always said the COLTS D is going to crumble in the playoffs....and they always do. Andrew Luck is awesome, but he is going to suffer the same thing Manning did. <br /><br />Also we should keep on mind, that in most PO games, Manning (aside from the JETS) and the Colts lost in the final seconds. Let's not forget that before entering the playoffs (year?-i believe the year Dungy's son died) that D gave up nearly 400 yards of rushing to Fred Taylor. The Colt's D always looks better than it actually is. It will always be a handicap. I actually believe Denver has a better D, but it is still not very good. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-33304442165171015002014-03-07T04:51:12.976-05:002014-03-07T04:51:12.976-05:00I agree! Stats are fun but they can be arranged to...I agree! Stats are fun but they can be arranged to sell whatever you want to sell. Seeing is believing, my friend. And I have seen a Season Manning and a Postseason Manning for over 10 years now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-20809934523245285962014-02-05T16:25:11.113-05:002014-02-05T16:25:11.113-05:00In the last 3 years Flacco has thrown for 18TDs vs...In the last 3 years Flacco has thrown for 18TDs vs 1INT in the playoffs. His first 2 years his playoff #s were more poor but as a rookie he had to go up against the #1 D in Pittsburgh. He's gotten better and lets not forget if Lee Evans holds on to a perfectly thrown pass he's in back to back SBs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-84389501840555938822014-01-18T12:12:36.122-05:002014-01-18T12:12:36.122-05:00what about defining clutch in a different way? on...what about defining clutch in a different way? on third or fourth down in the second half of close games. or perhaps even incorporating yardage; 2nd and long (say 10 or more), 3rd and 6 or more, and any fourth down. I would guess Manning does not fare as well in the playoffs. I am not trying to cherry pick here. I just think there is much less pressure, so to speak on first down (because you know you have two downs further to attempt to get a first down, and also, on second and 3, there is less pressure, etc). the whole idea of the article is to analyze how well Manning has done under pressure (pressure of course, defined by situation, and not pass rush). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-35812748620052003902014-01-15T11:18:49.483-05:002014-01-15T11:18:49.483-05:00You failed to look at this in the way that many do...You failed to look at this in the way that many do when pointing out the problems with Peyton: Relative difference between regular season and playoffs. You have some numbers in here regarding that but you fail to draw an obvious conclusion from them.<br /><br />Relative to his regular seasons, Manning's playoffs performance drops 12% in WPA/G and 25% in EPA/G. That's pretty big.<br /><br />When comparing to Brady, Manning's dropoff in WPA/G is something like 5x as big as Brady's. And Peyton's EPA/G dropoff is something like 60% more than Brady's. (I am estimating based on the graph with red and blue bars).<br /><br />So what does this mean? It means that the playoffs does affect Manning in a negative way. It affects him in a MUCH more negative way than it does Brady. Brady holds pretty steady from regualr season to postseason. Manning's performance falls off a lot more.<br /><br />I'd love to see more from you on the regular season vs. postseason for all the QBs you mention here, not just Brady and Mannning.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02701674288803339212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-71826685629232289452014-01-07T11:11:49.783-05:002014-01-07T11:11:49.783-05:00Stats are fun to look at and analyze, but in the e...Stats are fun to look at and analyze, but in the end, the only meaningful stat is wins and losses. Speaking of wins and losses, Peyton Manning has only 1 win in the Playoffs, playing outside when the game time temperature is below 50 degrees...11 years ago on 1/11/03 at KC (40F). The NFL and their Zebras are going to have to pull off a miracle in order to get him his 2nd ring when he would need 3 such wins in the next month, far surpassing the gift-wrapped 2nd ring for Ray Lewis last year!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-90947053519259911732014-01-01T23:20:39.755-05:002014-01-01T23:20:39.755-05:00The piece's premise falls completely apart whe...The piece's premise falls completely apart when one reviews Manning's playoff losses and the fact Manning has only had four of his twelve playoff runs where he won even one game. <br /><br />Virtually nowhere in Peyton's playoff losses does one find much evidence of quality play by Manning. Among his characteristics in the playoffs has been fourth down failures - he failed to convert a needed fourth down against Pittsburgh near his own goalline; he failed on fourth down TWICE against San Diego in 2007; he failed on fourth down against New Orleans in the Superbowl. For good measure Manning failed to convert a first down very late in the San Diego playoff game in 2008. Contrast this with Brady, who played well enough to win in the 2006 AFC Championship Game and in the two Superbowl losses to the NY Giants - especially with the late touchdown to Moss in 2007. Steve McNair also played well enough to win in the Superbowl loss (he erased a two-touchdown gap then whipped the Titans to the Rams 1; the deciding play was an obscure D-lineman making one tackle) and also in the 2003 loss to the Patriots. <br /><br />The reality is Peyton Manning has done nothing but show he is in over his head in the playoffs.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-32654755615993713312013-11-17T22:44:51.374-05:002013-11-17T22:44:51.374-05:00Brain, you just tweeted at me that Matt Stafford i...Brain, you just tweeted at me that Matt Stafford is NOT "better" than Russell Wilson according to your statistics, yet you're grading Manning on his WPA and basing your argument off of the WPA statistic in this case. Being that Stafford has the second highest WPA in 2013, how are you going to decide that it isn't as relevant due to his ONE talented receiver? Many of the games within this study involved Peyton throwing to TWO Hall Of Fame receivers, at the same time. So please explain how I was not correct in saying Stafford has been better than Wilson in terms of your stats. Mathematically, please. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157206304766100317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-43810245383245062582013-10-30T00:58:47.680-04:002013-10-30T00:58:47.680-04:00@ Michael Beuoy
... I did some "quick & ...@ Michael Beuoy<br /><br />... I did some "quick & dirty" stats.<br />8 of 12 times PMs teams lost their first playoff game. 4 of those were at home after a bye week. But more intriguing is that the Colts were favourites in 7 of that games by an average of almost 6 points!<br />That means he faced the weaker teams that qualified for the playoffs. So i assume he actually should have better or at least the same quality stats as in the RS.<br />Sure he faced better defenses than in the RS. But this is true for all playoff teams and still Y/PP, PPG, etc. rises in the playoffs (for the reasons you mentioned in your post).<br /><br />After all is said and done now, I think it´s safe to say that PM at least underperforms in the playoffs.<br /><br />Karl, GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-29666428499404658822013-10-29T18:53:41.770-04:002013-10-29T18:53:41.770-04:00@ James
"Karl ran a study that found that S...@ James <br /><br />"Karl ran a study that found that SB winning teams' stats go up in the playoffs. But that has MAJOR cause and effect bias - by definition SB winning teams are playing well because they beat at least three playoff teams!!"<br /><br />There is no major flaw in there. The only point i wanted to prove is that (efficient) pass offense matters more than (efficient) pass defense, and that running the ball has no impact on SB winning teams.<br />It was about (if) defenses win championships or not. And (as a side product) if running the ball is important as the 70s pundits say year after year.<br />Now i thought i also mentioned that Y/PP, PPG, yds gained are up in general (thus for all playoff teams) in the playoffs. Well, I didn´t and thus I correct my answer post to "Sterling"here. <br />Of course it´s obvious that winning teams have better numbers. I just wanted to know WHICH numbers are better.<br /><br />"Peyton Manning throws more interceptions in the playoffs. Yet this site showed long ago that (i) interception rates are largely random"<br /><br />Agree. That´s why I never use Int-Rates to prove or disprove something. Y/PP is well enough. And, BTW, I am still not convinced that WPA or EPA is better than this good ´ol "Killer-Stat" No. 1.<br /><br /><br />"Splits Happen."<br />Agree 100%. And yet, I still trust my own eyes and expierence more (see my last post).<br /><br />"Peyton won a SB with terrible stats. Shouldn't that exemplify how many factors outside a QB's control contribute to winning a SB?"<br />Agree again 100%. Never said something different over all those years here. I, for example, never use QB-Starting records (unless i do a mega study on differences between starting QB´s and their replacements since 1980. Just as a control number to other stats like Y/PP. I can use QB records than, because the sample size is big enough).<br /><br />"The Colts defense forced 13 turnovers in 4 playoff games during that SB run, 3.3 a game, while Peyton's defenses have 26 turnovers in his 16 other playoff games, 1.6 a game!"<br />As said, i don´t use turnovers in a study since they are either random or largely influenced by game situations (like those late game interceptions that pile on on desperate teams).<br /><br />"Speaking of turnovers, the Ravens defense has forced 40 turnovers in Flacco's 14 playoff games, a rate of 2.9 a game, including 10 in 4 games last year. Maybe that has something to do with Flacco getting to so many more AFC Champ games".<br /><br />Agree again. Flacco never was something special either in the RS or the playoffs. He got tremendous lucky that he had his best games in last years playooffs. Since the BAL organisation judged him on this 4 games only, he was able to hit the mega 100 Mio $ jackpot... and now he is back to his normal (just NFL average) performance level.<br /><br />Karl, Germany<br /><br />5. Speaking of Flacco in the playoffs, did Mitch actually compare them like he said he did? Regular season: 60%, 7.1 YPA, 85.6 Rating. Post season: 56%, 7.2 YPA, 86 Rating. His TD:INT ratio is better in the playoffs at 19:8, but all of this includes his incredible run last postseason. Before that he was considerably worse in the playoffs across the board, including an 8:8 TD:INT ratio. So can Flacco elevate his game in the playoffs, or are we merely cherry-picking the end-point for the clutch QB du jour?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-80324642669473597412013-10-29T18:15:09.891-04:002013-10-29T18:15:09.891-04:00@ Michael Beuoy
"Karl - You are correct that...@ Michael Beuoy<br /><br />"Karl - You are correct that YPP increases in the playoffs, but not for the reason you think. Run your numbers again for just the teams that made the playoffs. For just those teams, YPP decreases in the playoffs, consistent with Peyton's performance."<br /><br />You have a great point here. Your are absolutely correct. Thanks for this. I havn´t thought about that.<br />So, after all, PM might not be worse in the playoffs than in the RS. Still, to be remembered as the greatest ever his ugly post season ending games just don´t fit for that reputation. Too much variance in his post season performances (perfect and accurate in one game, lousy, nervous and thus off target in the next). It´s not only about stats. I know a choker when I see one. From own experience. If the pressure was big enough on me, i got struck out (for example when having a 0-2 count), or started to walk batters "endlessly" once i threw 2 or 3 balls in an at bat. The opposition knew it. They just didn´t swung anymore once they saw my nervousness. Or on tight and high priced billard games, more often than not i miss the black ball from the spot (a ball i hit at 90% rates in normal non pressure situations). And i wouldn´t blame my bad performances on sample size, splits or "(non) hot hands". If I felt my heart pumping, i knew "game over" for me. :-)<br /><br />Karl, GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-5537681446822206842013-10-29T11:36:07.737-04:002013-10-29T11:36:07.737-04:00I think we need to take a step back here and look ...I think we need to take a step back here and look at this issue again.<br /><br />1. Karl ran a study that found that SB winning teams' stats go up in the playoffs. But that has MAJOR cause and effect bias - by definition SB winning teams are playing well because they beat at least three playoff teams!!<br /><br />2. Peyton Manning throws more interceptions in the playoffs. Yet this site showed long ago that (i) interception rates are largely random, (ii) all QBs throw more INTs in desperate situations, and (iii) Peyton's been in more desparate situations in the playoffs because his run game/defense has cost him 6 points a game.<br /><br />3. Splits Happen. Given enough QBs, one or more is going to consistently do worse than their norm in the playoffs out of random chance, especially at these small sample sizes. You have to prove that Peyton's "choking" isn't simply Type I error.<br /><br />3. Peyton won a SB with terrible stats. Shouldn't that exemplify how many factors outside a QB's control contribute to winning a SB? The Colts defense forced 13 turnovers in 4 playoff games during that SB run, 3.3 a game, while Peyton's defenses have 26 turnovers in his 16 other playoff games, 1.6 a game! Of course, this is redudant information with EPA listed in the above comments.<br /><br />4. Speaking of turnovers, the Ravens defense has forced 40 turnovers in Flacco's 14 playoff games, a rate of 2.9 a game, including 10 in 4 games last year. Maybe that has something to do with Flacco getting to so many more AFC Champ games than Peyton...<br /><br />5. Speaking of Flacco in the playoffs, did Mitch actually compare them like he said he did? Regular season: 60%, 7.1 YPA, 85.6 Rating. Post season: 56%, 7.2 YPA, 86 Rating. His TD:INT ratio is better in the playoffs at 19:8, but all of this includes his incredible run last postseason. Before that he was considerably worse in the playoffs across the board, including an 8:8 TD:INT ratio. So can Flacco elevate his game in the playoffs, or are we merely cherry-picking the end-point for the clutch QB du jour?<br /><br />Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01838293735141324662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-19644133959557259352013-10-28T18:58:51.936-04:002013-10-28T18:58:51.936-04:00(Made an error on previous post)
Great read, grea...(Made an error on previous post)<br /><br />Great read, great comments. A word of caution to those of you slinging around EPA and WPA numbers (like I do), especially when evaluating individual players: make sure you know what your numbers mean. Case in point:<br /><br />For the last Super Bowl, Joe Flacco has a WPA of 0.40 per the ANS website (I used Brian's WP calculator and calc'd 0.43). So what's included in this number? Obviously, Flacco's completions, incompletions, sacks and interceptions (if he had any, which he didn't). But it also includes fumbles by his receivers (the Ray Rice fumble) and penalties - pass interference calls, defensive offsides, unnecessary roughness, etc. The reason is that the data is drawn from the play-by-play and if his name is in the play-by-play, he is credited (or penalized) for what happened.<br /><br />Check it out: Flacco threw three incomplete passes on third-and-long that were nullified by penalties - two defensive offsides and one pass interference - that amounted to +0.18 WPA. This is nothing to sneeze at; you can watch the plays yourself and decide if these passes were bad, or whatever, but the fact remains that he is gaining a huge amount of WP for throwing incomplete passes. Without it, his WPA is 0.22 (0.25 by my spreadsheet). Thankfully, Brian has given us all these tools to use, so you can check me on this using his WP calculator, and see what you come up with.<br /><br />My point isn't that you can't trust these numbers, you can. WP is about the best way to measure "clutch" that we have. My point is that if we're going to get into the nitty-gritty of "this guy is clutch" and "this guy isn't", we should at least know the details of our measuring sticks.<br /><br />I'm enjoying the debate regardless, cheers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03108711283276399018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-32767045657758808462013-10-28T18:54:35.529-04:002013-10-28T18:54:35.529-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03108711283276399018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-14450575801212612192013-10-28T15:37:58.818-04:002013-10-28T15:37:58.818-04:00It seems that this was a very long article illustr...It seems that this was a very long article illustrating that EPA and WPA don't really have anything to do with who wins playoff games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-4789121653294665652013-10-28T15:09:53.330-04:002013-10-28T15:09:53.330-04:00Nice write up, Sterling.
Karl - You are correct t...Nice write up, Sterling.<br /><br />Karl - You are correct that YPP increases in the playoffs, but not for the reason you think. Run your numbers again for just the teams that made the playoffs. For just those teams, YPP decreases in the playoffs, consistent with Peyton's performance. The reason the YPP average is higher in the playoffs overall is because:<br /><br />1. The better teams tend to make the playoffs<br />2. Offenses tend to have a wider spread of talent than Defenses.<br />Michael Beuoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960600491528993233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-43229320543574064792013-10-28T14:33:13.943-04:002013-10-28T14:33:13.943-04:00Totally agree with Anon above and the general idea...Totally agree with Anon above and the general idea that Peyton has been very good in the playoffs, good enough to have won at least one or two more SBs. But the notion that he's not worse in the playoffs is, as has been pointed out, simply mistaken. And I think there's a fairly obvious explanation for that, and it's not that he's a choker.<br /><br />Peyton changed the way the game is played with his pre-snap reads and play changes. Defenses have had to adjust - they attempt to disguise their coverages pre-snap, and you'll sometimes see the opposing MLB making pre-snap calls of his own. But the issue with picking apart defenses the way Peyton does is that if the opposing coaching staff knows it's coming and has enough time to prepare, they can fake him out pretty easily. A talented O Coordinator such as, say, Josh McDaniels, could watch film of his team's D and tell his D Coordinator how Peyton will read their various pre-snap alignments. The D Coordinator can then throw in a few mixups - drop a LB or DL, move safeties around, etc. <br /><br />I obviously can't prove that this has gone on, but it passes the eye test and lines up with the numbers. The only respect in which Peyton's traditional stats differ between the regular and post season is INTs: he's thrown significantly more in the playoffs. He seems, at times, to not see defenders and throw the ball right to them.<br /><br />If that's right, Peyton's playoff 'struggles' are less about choking and more about using a strategy that works better in the regular season than in the playoffs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-80353284533909365192013-10-27T13:44:08.262-04:002013-10-27T13:44:08.262-04:00Here are those same numbers for Brady in 24 playof...Here are those same numbers for Brady in 24 playoff games (Manning in parenthesis). These are per game averages:<br /><br />Offense +3.87 points (+4.81)<br />Pass +4.65 points (+6.62)<br />Rush -0.66 points (-1.83)<br /><br />Defense +0.32 points (-1.90)<br /><br />Special teams +0.39 (-2.73)<br /><br />Defense + Special teams: +0.72 (-4.63)<br /><br />Defense + Special teams + Rush offense: +0.07 (-6.46)<br /><br />So Brady's supporting cast gave him 6.53 expected points added per game. <br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-43828327747629335392013-10-26T16:22:44.209-04:002013-10-26T16:22:44.209-04:00Using P-F-R, here is how Peyton's supporting c...Using P-F-R, here is how Peyton's supporting cast performed in the playoffs in 20 games.<br /><br />Offense:<br />+96.2 points<br />+132.34 pass<br />-36.56 rush<br />-113.9 points in turnovers<br /><br />Defense:<br />-37.99 points<br />-53.48 pass<br />+3.24 rush<br />+134.28 in TO<br /><br />Special teams:<br />-54.67 points<br /><br />If you add up the rush, defense, and special teams points its -129.22 expected points lost by them or -6.46 points per gameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-70855988918806860242013-10-26T13:57:23.431-04:002013-10-26T13:57:23.431-04:00@Mitch
>Speaking of Flacco, he's been to as...@Mitch<br />>Speaking of Flacco, he's been to as many AFC Championship games as PM in "HALF THE NUMBER OF YEARS".<br /><br />>Want to know why ?<br /><br />Because the team around Flacco has been better than the team around Peyton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-17853116518313985712013-10-26T11:50:30.996-04:002013-10-26T11:50:30.996-04:00Mitch,
Flacco did raise his games in teh play offs...Mitch,<br />Flacco did raise his games in teh play offs, but over a small number of games and passes. If he performed like that in 3 different play off years then I'd be more impressed.<br />The is a fair amount of luck in Football, and Flacco had some good luck. <br />His deep balls weren't all that great, the receivers had to adjust for them and the defensive backs didn't play them well. It wsn't just one play, it was a bunch of plays by Denver and other teams.<br /><br />I think you are too tied to Flacco and not willing to look at his performanec objectively.<br /><br />Anquan Boldin was instrumental in turning his inaccurate deep balls into completions. Just like Calvin Johnson has a huge impact on Matt Staffords performance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-10610869037674149032013-10-26T11:42:41.377-04:002013-10-26T11:42:41.377-04:00Speaking of Flacco, he's been to as many AFC C...Speaking of Flacco, he's been to as many AFC Championship games as PM in "HALF THE NUMBER OF YEARS".<br /><br />Want to know why ?<br /><br />Look at Flacco's regular season and playoff numbers and then tell me QB's don't raise their games in the playoffs.<br /><br />Flacco's improvements in the playoff will crush PM's improvements.<br /><br />And before you get all excited, yes I see the it coming already, who will be the first to say how Manning has had much better regular season stats then Flacco so of coarse it's harded for him to improve.<br /><br /><br />HERE-IN LIES THE BIG PROBLEM<br /><br />While many like to look only at averages, such as was done here in this article.<br /><br />Averages give us a small picture, game-to-game adds to the picture. Much like I showed in PM regular and playoff season.<br /><br />Look at PM regular season stats on a game-to-game basis, you'll find PM inflates his averages by dominating the weaker teams in the league.<br /><br />Therefore, when he gets to the playoffs he finds it very difficult to improve on such INFLATED stats.<br /><br />Many people get very impressed when PM throws for 500 yds and 6 TD's against a very weak team in the regular season and think wow, that's just PM being great as PM is.<br /><br />Then these same people are lost and confused when he can't duplicate that in the playoffs.<br /><br />Mitchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-81891201425100447712013-10-26T11:27:19.013-04:002013-10-26T11:27:19.013-04:00Still stuck on 1 play against 1 team in the playof...Still stuck on 1 play against 1 team in the playoffs.<br /><br />Flacco put together one-of-the greatest playoff runs in NFL Playoff history, 11 TD's to 0 INT's.<br /><br />But here's a person who only wants to talk about "ONE" play as though Flacco got lucky because of "ONE" play.<br /><br />Of coarse recievers contribute, but make no mistake about it, Flacco rose to the occasions as the Ravens rolled the the SB win.Mitchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-16733714509282485482013-10-26T10:51:54.727-04:002013-10-26T10:51:54.727-04:00>>QB's often raise their game big time i...>>QB's often raise their game big time in the playoffs, just ask Joe Flacco last year.<br /><br />Flacco did raise his game, but so did Anquan Boldion, and the defenses he faced, particularly the secondary (Champ Bailey) who knew about the deep ball and the game situation, really played poorly<br /><br />I would say Flacco played ok, his receivers played a lot better, and the defenders played poorly. With a big lead, constantly letting receivers get behind you reflects poorly on the coaches and players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-35503154132242947632013-10-26T10:21:57.688-04:002013-10-26T10:21:57.688-04:00I KNEW IT, I knew some-one would respond with, QB&...I KNEW IT, I knew some-one would respond with, QB's decline in the playoffs because they play better teams, that's why I tried to warn people about that.<br /><br />Thanks to Karl for posting that.<br /><br />QB's often raise their game big time in the playoffs, just ask Joe Flacco last year.<br /><br />When the Ravens won the SB, it was Flacco, the highest rated passer in the playoffs and his passing offense that rose to the occasion.<br /><br />When the Colts won the SB, it was PM THE LOWEST RATED POSTSEASON QB SINCE 1978 TO WIN A SB.<br /><br />PM was one of the rarest QB to throw 3 int's and win the game, the Colts won the SB not because of PM but despite PM.<br /><br />Just the facts fella's.Mitchnoreply@blogger.com