tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post6117933192575693987..comments2023-11-05T04:16:44.937-05:00Comments on Advanced Football Analytics (formerly Advanced NFL Stats): The New Overtime Format Is a Complicated Mess--Here's How to Fix ItUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-24893884231826343802013-12-02T06:32:31.771-05:002013-12-02T06:32:31.771-05:001. regular season: eliminate ot
2. playofffs: play...1. regular season: eliminate ot<br />2. playofffs: play one more quarter, no coin toss, start as qr 1, if there is a tie perform field goal shootout !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-63652514421173319042013-11-27T15:43:31.055-05:002013-11-27T15:43:31.055-05:00Don't know a lot about the new NFL overtime ru...Don't know a lot about the new NFL overtime rules, but the CFL has very exciting overtimes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football#OvertimeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-53973119340591247452013-11-27T10:23:59.162-05:002013-11-27T10:23:59.162-05:00The current rule is perfect. I think the education...The current rule is perfect. I think the education level of so many NFL fans is just so low that this simple system is just too complex for them to comprehend? Who wants to see a team get the OT kickoff, go 30 yards and kick a field goal to win (chicksht).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-91673779201108197702013-11-27T09:19:28.989-05:002013-11-27T09:19:28.989-05:00Here's an easier way: Just keep the game going...Here's an easier way: Just keep the game going if it's tied at the end of regulation, and the first team to score wins. Simple, and fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-88901712392398972672013-11-26T19:31:22.821-05:002013-11-26T19:31:22.821-05:00@ James Sinclair:
Thar counter-argument to "...@ James Sinclair:<br /><br />Thar counter-argument to "how much less dramatic games tied late in the fourth quarter would become" is that it's simply incorrect that games would become less dramatic. There are only three scoring gaps where the dynamic changes.<br /><br />1) Games where the teams are tied: somewhat less dramatic because you're not in the 2-minute drill, but it's still a team going on what could be a game winning drive.<br /><br />2) Games where the team with the ball is down 3: these games are slightly more dramatic, because the team has a significant incentive to try to score a TD so they don't automatically give up the ball in OT.<br /><br />3) Games where the team with the ball is down 7: you will see lots of 2-point conversion attempts with the game on the line. EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!<br /><br />---<br /><br />So, one situation with a little less drama, one with a little more drama, and one with a lot more drama. This nets more excitement, not less (and fewer overtime games, not more).Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368810359650066790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-29311841057909572882013-11-26T18:53:46.876-05:002013-11-26T18:53:46.876-05:00I think almost all changes in the rules or procedu...I think almost all changes in the rules or procedures tend to upset people so I don't think that is really an argument against any specific change. Fans were all like "WTF, bro!" when the Pass Interference rules were introduced but they have made the game better; they were also 'non traditional' changes as well. I think after a few games of "WTF, bro!" fans would get used to and enjoy the 'silent bidding' for OT possession. Fans would probably come to appreciate the more subtle 'chest puffing' involved in the silent bidding; 'Oh yeah biatch, WE can start from BEHIND the uprights, BRO!' It is easy to see how a silent bidding would make OT more dramatic.<br />On a more serious note, instead of playing football in OT, why not see which teams offensive line could push a fully loaded Greyhound bus from goal-line to goal-line fastest? Or perhaps a tug-of-war between the entire active roster of each team?<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-22243010195548064732013-11-26T11:18:09.994-05:002013-11-26T11:18:09.994-05:00"what does "face off at the 50 yard line..."what does "face off at the 50 yard line" mean? jump ball? referee kicks it from the sideline? run at each other from the 40s? the 20s? from the end zone?"<br /><br />All excellent ideas! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-46232871259080752622013-11-26T02:54:27.278-05:002013-11-26T02:54:27.278-05:00We could always award the win to the team that had...We could always award the win to the team that had the momentum at the end of regulationIan Simcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01518825067469269377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-78178731441379560502013-11-26T01:45:15.561-05:002013-11-26T01:45:15.561-05:00"Face off at the 50-yard line" is when t..."Face off at the 50-yard line" is when the two teams line up on each side of the 50 and hurl insults at each other. The referee awards points based on how damaging an insult is to the opposing team's morale. The team with the most IPA (Insult Points Added) wins.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03108711283276399018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-87083125140942686052013-11-26T01:32:06.899-05:002013-11-26T01:32:06.899-05:00what does "face off at the 50 yard line"...what does "face off at the 50 yard line" mean? jump ball? referee kicks it from the sideline? run at each other from the 40s? the 20s? from the end zone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-41850406166244808692013-11-25T23:34:56.216-05:002013-11-25T23:34:56.216-05:00Sure, more time favors the better team. But there ...Sure, more time favors the better team. But there is a tradeoff. Otherwise, why not have all games last 120 min? Or 2,400 min?Brian Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371470711365236987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-90507918598033149732013-11-25T22:43:20.519-05:002013-11-25T22:43:20.519-05:00the ideal solution (quick and fair):
- no coin fl...the ideal solution (quick and fair):<br /><br />- no coin flip<br />- sudden death, any score wins.<br />- face off at the 50 yard line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-90135839437958079812013-11-25T22:33:38.134-05:002013-11-25T22:33:38.134-05:00If there's a tie after 60 minutes of grueling ...If there's a tie after 60 minutes of grueling football play, then the game should end in a tie. The next best thing is the current rules because if the idea is to award the BETTER team with a W, then MORE TIME will help determine that point, not LESS TIME.<br /><br />Sudden death does little more in awarding a win than simply handing out the W randomly. In fact, instead of sudden death, just flip the coin and the winner gets a W. That's not to say that the winner of the coin toss usually wins in SD, it's simply that SD is way too short to determine who is better when they just played 60 minutes and were tied! How is a short SD period going to do better than a full 60 minutes did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-79835130761540171712013-11-25T20:34:11.866-05:002013-11-25T20:34:11.866-05:00I debated this very topic for my simulation league...I debated this very topic for my simulation league just a few weeks ago. The solution we chose was to have pure sudden death, and give the ball on the 20 to the team that scored last in regulation. It's still an advantage, but less of one than receiving a kickoff. And since possession isn't based on a coin toss, it's more fair. <br /><br />In general, Brian is spot on in the way he analyzes the issue: find a way to keep pure sudden death, while mitigating the unfairness of a coin toss.J.D. Krullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-69221025516871568082013-11-25T19:02:26.409-05:002013-11-25T19:02:26.409-05:00@Tarr,
I'm a long-time proponent of a bid-for...@Tarr,<br /><br />I'm a long-time proponent of a bid-for-field-position format, but I'm pretty much sold on your idea being just as good, if not better. But, I think your "fun for math nerds but way too weird for popular acceptance" criticism is equally applicable to the just-keep-playing system.<br /><br />Not that that's a reason to stop agitating for it, but I'm just trying to picture what would happen if it became a serious proposal, and I'm seeing all kinds of hysterics over how much less dramatic games tied late in the fourth quarter would become.<br /><br />I suppose the counters are that (a) the overtime safety net makes those games less exciting anyway, and (b) there would be fewer such games, because teams would have more of an incentive to try to take the lead. Am I missing anything? Regardless, it's hard to argue with hysterical.James Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213045233649924060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-79852021942131569122013-11-25T18:57:08.465-05:002013-11-25T18:57:08.465-05:00@Thomas McDermott Field goals are a huge part of t...@Thomas McDermott Field goals are a huge part of the game though. Many games end because of them. It's no simple task to kick the ball through the posts we have to remember. We look down on Mason Crosby for missing 25% of his FG's, but the truth of the matter is, is that it's hard. I like the rules we have now for OT.Stat Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092570865215971868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-37351783474597719462013-11-25T18:49:10.079-05:002013-11-25T18:49:10.079-05:00@Mac - what you've just described is the best ...@Mac - what you've just described is the best idea I've heard so far. It's simple, quick, decisive, fair and exciting. And it gets to the heart of the matter: can your team's offense score? Can your defense prevent the opposing team's offense from scoring? If your team answers "yes" to both questions, you win the game. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03108711283276399018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-87125187758835346462013-11-25T18:47:02.933-05:002013-11-25T18:47:02.933-05:00Overtime is exactly like regulation. At the beginn...Overtime is exactly like regulation. At the beginning, there is a coin toss, so are you saying that the home field team should automatically get to choose? Second, the Patriots won in overtime, AND they gave the ball to the Broncos to start the game. Third, we all get to revved up when there is a tie. They almost never happen. The last one was in 2010. They happened all the time way back when there were no lights, and no cared. Lastly, any tie that happens clearly says that each team deserved a win. No team gets a loss, so each team should be content, unless it's Jacksonville tying with Kansas City or the Broncos. Ties are apart of the game just like the Tuck rule was in place until recently.Stat Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092570865215971868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-54142006193671884672013-11-25T18:13:03.705-05:002013-11-25T18:13:03.705-05:00Each team gets a first and goal from the opponents...Each team gets a first and goal from the opponents 10 no FGs must go for two if they score a TD. So no coin toss advantage no ultra conservative play to get into field goal range and no ties. Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15278455276778626892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-56661743540895417192013-11-25T17:29:35.504-05:002013-11-25T17:29:35.504-05:00I have a very simple solution: If the game is tied...I have a very simple solution: If the game is tied at the end of regulation, the team that scored last wins. No overtime whatsoever.BIPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-45122217765549741522013-11-25T16:23:31.010-05:002013-11-25T16:23:31.010-05:00Tarr has given the correct answer. I don't kno...Tarr has given the correct answer. I don't know why people are still discussing other alternatives.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00224072347996971132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-47693092351267976232013-11-25T15:59:58.504-05:002013-11-25T15:59:58.504-05:00People obviously get very heated reading overtime ...People obviously get very heated reading overtime suggestions, because a number of you have misread "touchback to the 15 yard line" as "no kickoff - team starts at 15".<br /><br />For those so opposed to the change, perhaps an explanation of why the 20 was chosen for touchbacks might be nice, because all I can tell is that it's an arbitrary historic decision. The NCAA has different touchbacks for kickoffs and punts. It is not set in stone that man shall only place touchbacks on the 20.<br /><br />And if the game changes so that the 15 is no longer the net-zero point, then we can just change the rules.Ian Simcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01518825067469269377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-39495402676898815822013-11-25T15:33:06.501-05:002013-11-25T15:33:06.501-05:00Ok Tarr, take two drives, or stay with the three d...Ok Tarr, take two drives, or stay with the three drives but only certain amount of snaps are allowed...<br /><br />Karl, GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-50164354218748435782013-11-25T14:51:17.854-05:002013-11-25T14:51:17.854-05:00Karl, the TV networks and the Player's associa...Karl, the TV networks and the Player's association will never accept a system that reliably lengthens the game by that much.Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368810359650066790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-20157700283878134152013-11-25T14:47:15.861-05:002013-11-25T14:47:15.861-05:00My two cents: Each teams gets 3 drives. Who scores...My two cents: Each teams gets 3 drives. Who scores more points on those wins.<br />Simple, fair and interesting.<br /><br />Karl, GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com